Ban: phonee
Steamid
0:0:16215173
User
phonee
Expiry
2016-03-05 17:00:00 +0100
Reason
Don't be a dick, especially to new players. -loMe
Created at
2016-03-02 21:46:42 +0100
hey so I was banned 3+ days? I'm not quite sure what I did wrong, SEPHY was an ADMIN in the gather that I think you guys are talking about. I was in NO PART the only PERSON who did anything to this guy,
I'm not quite sure why I AM BEING punished for something my WHOLE TEAM (INCLUDING SEPHY AN ENSL ADMIN) was complicit with.
please give me a better reason of what was complained and an analysis of why you guys think i was "being a dick to a new player"
team consisted of:
eddy
sephy
tap
dixit (new comer in question)
ALSO Please tell me why WHY COMPLAINT about DIXIT involving him not joining the next gather on time (was 15mins + when i posted a screenshot, MST3kLD can confirm he did not join the gather server, caused everyone to wait and did joined the correct teamspeak channel to inform his team that he was joining) was ignored.
and please let me know how I can see my own issues and resolution of these issues when I have lost the URL.
if you dont believe it... In the end I had to merc for LAST PICK DIXIT, which obviously unbalanced the teams a bit. He was in another TS channel and saying "no im not in a gather", mst asked him to join and he didnt (ignoring the authority of a GATHER MOD)
if this stuff doesnt belong here then just delete it i dont know, but at least keep it in mind THX
Banning anybody over that Dixit thing is outrageous. You can ask Sephy what happened. Dixit's team spent several minutes carefully and politely explaining and explaining and re-explaining and again explaining the captain's strategy to this guy in two languages and he was completely unresponsive and seemed almost intentionally ignorant of everything. It was baffling. If you don't wanna take my word for it just ask Sephy.
my issue and response. i'm sorry to the admins if this is not considered polite since issues are private, but i felt the need to include this in my appeal since this is a public matter, as I will state again, my whole team (including an ENSL Admin) was complicit in what happened in that gather. I was not the only player frustrated and complaining about dixit's behavior.
basically youre implying that if i'm alien commander and I pick lome and schu for fade, but dixit over here WANTS To fade I cant deny him that opportunity? why is dixit allowed to subject the whole team to an unfun round because he's being obstinate about what role he WANTS to play. I put him in a situation where he can do ANYTHING HE WANTED (LITERALLY ANY LIFEFORM) so I do not think I was in no way shape or form "forcing him into a role"
"You also conveniently leave out the part where you guys vote kicked him from the server when he wouldn't comply with your demands."
this was after we FINALLY (after 5 minutes at least) got him into the hive and started the round, we then ejected him so he wouldn't ruin the start: wasting TRES by dropping random structures, cysting the map or upgrading the wrong hive. He responded by just standing there afk while everyone else played. I typed ready since I'm not going to play a round with one baby refusing to play and not "LISTENING TO HIS TEAMMATES" (ENSL RULE #7).
His PROTEST was boils down to complaining about losing 1 PRES (you start with 15, when you go gorge and drop 2 tunnels it costs 8+3+3 which is 14 PRES) I eliminated that WHOLE PROBLEM by getting him to start in the hive, he STARTS as a SKULK and stays as a SKULK until he gets enough PRES for whatever desired lifeform he wants. just like he would if we assigned him 0 roles and he just went straight onos/fade/lerk, except with 15 less pres. he was NEVER going to command and we were NEVER Forcing him into a undesirable role.
in my complaint dixit violated the following gather rules:
7. Listen to your teammates. (in my gather)
then these two in the next gather (what bauer is reffering to)
8. Do not join a new gather when you are already in one.
11. Join the ENSL TeamSpeak + NS2 Server in less than 10 Min.
dixit probably cited this rule:
10. Players can't be forced to be commander, but if you're the current commander of your NSL team or if you're known as a commander, please specify you don't want to com in the Gather chat beforehand.
but as i stated before i was not FORCING HIM to be a commander.
from your gather FAQ:
"Q: Why would I play these games instead of public games?
A: Because these games are much more demanding, and arguably more fun. You can get a taste of what NS2 used to be as a competitive game, pinnacle of FPS games. Nearly all players who play gathers regularly prefer them over public. Gather games tend to be more balanced, too, as captains pick the teams and admins might intervene to avoid boring walkovers."
I was INCREDIBLY patient with dixit, i REALIZED he was a new player and I PICKED HIM SPECIFICALLY OVER MUFF (a player who I am familiar with and have done this gorge comm strategy before without complaint) to try and have EVEN TEAMS. I wanted a good GATHER GAME and I was willing to take the lesser skilled/experienced players to try and have balanced teams. please talk to CABOOBLE who i captain'd against (common theme late night gathers has been to vote commanders as captains) and in teamspeak we were discussing which players to pick to have EVEN TEAMS.
the reason gathers are fun is because they're DEMANDING of players to employ certain strategies to beat the enemy. this is why i was getting dixit to sac his starting 15 pres
what im asking for here isnt a complete REMOVAL of my ban, you're actually correct in some regard that i might have stepped over the line regarding dixit, maybe I should have let sephy handle the issue, WHO WHEN I ASKED TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM AND DELAY OF GATHER, he responded with "I DO NOT HAVE ADMIN HERE" basically insinuating that he would have kicked/readyroomed/whatever dixit for violating rule #7 (7. Listen to your teammates.).
anyways I'm okay with a (1) DAY Ban but 3 days is absolutely unacceptable, i was not MALICIOUSLY targetting dixit, on marine round i had no problems with him (he actually shot quite well) but when it came to the alien half he was completely unresponsive, uninterested in working with his team.
What did this decision take into account beyond the reports of Dixit and phone? Have admins talked to anyone else who was present, Sephy in particular? I'm really curious about this because I've heard from a few people who were there now and all seem really shocked that anybody but Dixit got sent to timeout.
My version of events is like the above posters, I was expecting to see Dixit banned today and not phone and tap.
What I saw yesterday was, Dixit being completely unresponsive on TS. His team tried to explain the strat to him over and over, and when it seemed like he got it, he still didnt, and then refused to play the round, so the round was reset and he was kicked. He later joined another gather and didn't show up, and then signed up for the next one while missing the current one he was signed up for.
I'm not necessarily calling for a Dixit ban, but I definitely didn't expect to see anyone else banned
As I said, Dixit was not in the right, but we can chose to be a little more lenient as he is a newcomer and not keen to expectations just yet. The ban was based off Sephy's report. He realizes he should have handled it better but it was 6am and he was delirious and too exhausted to act. The reason I took care of it is cuz Sephy's English isn't great and it was concerning two Americans players. Tap has a history of running his mouth and his behavior was along what you expect to hear from him when things aren't going his way. His ban was 20 hours. I talked with Phone and reduced his ban to less than two days and he's said that he's okay with closing the thread now.
People should realize things get lost in translation between languages and that's especially the case for new players in Comp. What seems like a ignorance may really be confusion and frustration.
