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#1
don't wanna do a huge wall of text now...

here is the uwe forum thread to it

map on workshop

I am basically looking for feedback on the map coming from those player who played the all star game and any viewer who has suggestons on it (everyone else is welcome to give feedback aswell)
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#2
I very much enjoyed the map. Ofc it's not a looker just yet and room to room design inconsistency feels odd. But it's very playable. I will only comment on what I felt and saw while playing, no theorycrafting.
Escalators' escalators are so narrow, I barely fit with the onos and was slowed down to point i felt i will get stuck any second. Like it's exact width as onos and you are scraping your sides.
Maintenance hallway to Gen. Oh my few marines sitting the arcs there, wou could do nothing with fade onos gorge. It felt like the tram arc spot in north tunnels for warehouse hive, but more tight, they didn't need blocking armory at entrance and was just biach.
Landing pad is just big empty space with ramp to your natural. It doesn't affect the game, it just feel, hmm, empty.
In storage when biting RT and want to run away to cafe, there is wardrobe/locker that feels like you could climb over and get right out the entrance, but you cant fit in there and have to take it around.
What is that bush cover of the RT point in locker? I don't know, give proper cover or just leave it open, i don't know, fucking plants...
As you shrunk the map it feels very tight, which is nice, but there might be more spots, like the one in storage, that was passable by skulk or other entities and is not anymore, it just looks like it.
I guess that's all I remember that bothered me, otherwise it was very enjoyable to play on.
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#3
yeah I saw your stream and noticed the thee escalators. I can widen them easily.

The Maintenance hallway to gen is a bit complecated. skulks and lerks easily have the possibility to get below and behind the marines using the vents. However I agree that a fade, onos, gorge combination is not very suitable for vent usage. I think I make the gen-maint vent a bit more easy to use for gorges so bilebomb can be applied and I guess I will add some ceiling cover for fades. However I will most likeƶy leave it as nightmare for onos.

Landing Pad... yeah... I have seen games where aliens had their first hive expansion in terminal and landing pad is a good wide room for marines to use as a base to siege terminal so I'll keep it that way.

I plan on redoing storage completely because I am not very happy with that room atm
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#4
updated the map and build in alot of the feedback I got from the all-star game.

You can see a list of the content here
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#5
Bumped for new CMC
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#6
Map is pretty good. Need to play more on it though.

I think Departures should be more alien-friendly point. It's very difficult to defend it especially against shotguns, easy to damage hive with GL/LMG from a distance. Many one-way corridors without any vents, very low ceiling, not enough places to ambush...

While Generator is too hard to push. Hive covered from all points, transition to hive from east is hard-passable. At least author should remove this area or make it open and sloping:
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There is no ways for marines to reach this point and shoot lifeforms there from any positions while for aliens it's ideal place to make an ambush.
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6 August 2015 - 13:31 CEST
#7
it's funny that everything you talk about in your feedback is being worked on already^^

Generator is not finished yet but departures changed a bit

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#9
I would really appreciate it if some people could play PCWs or gathers on this map since I want it to be in the season. For that to happen I need to get rid of the reasons why it shouldn't be in the season which I have none of atm
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20 August 2015 - 19:21 CEST
#10
for that thing you eigther have to reboot gathers or message teams and confince them to play on the map.

long story short without effort from urself nothing is gonna happen sorry but thats ns2...
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31 August 2015 - 23:40 CEST
#11
plans for the next update of docking2 (will still take a while though):

- changing landing pad RT location
- changing landing pad
- changing terminal
- make stability and maintenance less marine friendly
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27 September 2015 - 12:28 CEST
#12
ok season 7 is about to start with docking2 in it so I made a quick update of docking2 which basically just made the maintenance RT harder to push

More informations here
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1 October 2015 - 10:54 CEST
#13
Played this map last night, few things that will need fixed ASAP.

Koro went fade, and her egg just died. Nothing shooting her, no reason, Just dead. Then through out the game random eggs would die.

Marine extracters where taking random damage without anything attacking them.

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#14
I'll look into that. First time I have heard of that bug so far however there was a point yesterday in our playtest where we had 0 eggs with 4 hives...

Also something that needs to be fixed is that the marine minimap on top left corner doesn't show any units or buildings... no idea what causes it though :/
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The minimap thingy SOMETIMES is the same on jambi too... maybe that can help you. It's not always the case, sometimes buildings are shown on the minimap but not players, sometimes everything is shown - at least that's how I remember it. It's really strange.
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3 October 2015 - 16:38 CEST
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@maxamus even though I've seen that bug on prommahs stream I can't seem to reproduce it so I can't work on a fix sadly
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3 October 2015 - 18:59 CEST
#17
Can we get a screenshot of that position where the egg died?
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@maxamus even though I've seen that bug on prommahs stream I can't seem to reproduce it so I can't work on a fix sadly


In this case we should honestly consider replacing docking2 for this season. We should really not have a map with major bugs like that in the map pool, it will lead to problems. Appealing to the almighty admins to think about that
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In this case we should honestly consider replacing docking2 for this season. We should really not have a map with major bugs like that in the map pool, it will lead to problems. Appealing to the almighty admins to think about that


This bug isn't just on Docking2... it happens in multiple maps its just rare as rocking horse shit so no one can seem to track it down... It was discussed today and people have seen it happen on both Jambi and on Tram... do you want those removed also?
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#20
yes
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#21
It happens on Tram that marine extractors randomly take damage? It happens on Tram that (spawn)eggs randomly die? It happens on Tram that people evolving to higher lifeforms randomly die? I'm sorry friend, I didn't have the info you had, but I'm pretty sure that this kind of stuff never happened when I played NS2.

I like how people always bring up this "it was discussed today" - it's kinda stupid to have discussions going in slack where, I guess, not even half the community is in, and in the forums, where people then say "I ALRDY KNOW BETTA STFU U INFIDEL!!11!"
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4 October 2015 - 13:49 CEST
#22
well bauer I tested docking2 for like 18 months now and it is the first time that happened, if it happens more often then it really is a big problem though :/

for those who have the bug that minimap symbols do not appear on docking2, you can fix that by having your minimap zoom on 0.6 or lower. I will try to fix that so it works with every zoom level but can't guarantee for it
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#23
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It happens on Tram that marine extractors randomly take damage? It happens on Tram that (spawn)eggs randomly die? It happens on Tram that people evolving to higher lifeforms randomly die? I'm sorry friend, I didn't have the info you had, but I'm pretty sure that this kind of stuff never happened when I played NS2.

I like how people always bring up this "it was discussed today" - it's kinda stupid to have discussions going in slack where, I guess, not even half the community is in, and in the forums, where people then say "I ALRDY KNOW BETTA STFU U INFIDEL!!11!"


The "it hasn't happened to me so it must be untrue" argument... GG bauer.

"I smoked all my life and never got lung cancer it must not be connected" "I've always driven over the speed limit and I've never crashed" "I've always had unprotected sex, i've never caught an STI" "I own a gun and have never killed anyone, guns can't be to blame"

There are a few more examples as to why your argument is absolutely bullshit... feel free to try again.
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4 October 2015 - 17:57 CEST
#24
The problem is if this DOES happen in an official and a lifeform egg, or RTs can't be built because they constantly take damage, what are the admins going to do?
gl making the right call when fade eggs die for no reason.
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#25
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The problem is if this DOES happen in an official and a lifeform egg, or RTs can't be built because they constantly take damage, what are the admins going to do?
gl making the right call when fade eggs die for no reason.

Yeah we will be discussing and deciding what we will do before Docking 2 is played.
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#26
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Yeah we will be discussing and deciding what we will do before Docking 2 is played.


Oh my god thank you so much
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#27
While we are at blacklisting maps for nonmap reasons, can I also blame the following on random maps?

* random hive instant death.
* can not cyst out hive area.
* can not cyst to rt.
* riffle jams before reload.

Most of the bugs are so utter rare, you wont even find them on the open trello. It would be much more helpful if more information, like logs are produced, from that event.
Not a lot, but better then nothing.
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While we are at blacklisting maps for nonmap reasons, can I also blame the following on random maps?

* random hive instant death.
* can not cyst out hive area.
* can not cyst to rt.
* riffle jams before reload.

Most of the bugs are so utter rare, you wont even find them on the open trello. It would be much more helpful if more information, like logs are produced, from that event.
Not a lot, but better then nothing.


But that would make sense DC... people don't understand that concept!

Anyway, the egg death/power node issue has been seen before and is in some way linked to death triggers... so Meph is going to be doing an update on Docking2 pre-season 7 play that removes the death triggers.

@bauer, Problem solved. Docking2 can stay.
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5 October 2015 - 10:30 CEST
#29
yeah I will do an update like that. for that I will import landing bay and storage from my docking2 development build so the RT location will change (to deal woth LoS issues at the same time)
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#30
k so we played docking 2 today, one time, in one pcw.

I died when spawning as a skulk one time (which is hilarious as fuck, guess I don't have to explain why), and cr4zy died on spawn as marine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zly4m6XOeK0

So this is supposed to be a standard ns2 bug, and this happens twice the first fucking time we ever play this map. Explain kash lessthanthree
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